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admin · 1 year ago

hey N.G this is a great post, I bet not many knew this trivia.... glasgow produces a great bit of music once again.....

Charlie · 1 year ago

Well done on your homework N.G, always love to hear new "overlooked" Scottish Bands of the 60's if you check out Felonius link www.rockingscots.co.uk there are some amazing unknown Scottish Bands, some cracking photo's of The Beat Stalkers, My Dear Watson, Studio Six, The Dream Police( what an ace and original name for a band!) I was talking recently to a very well known Radio Clyde DJ who was in a local Glasgow 60s band called The Riot Squad who were the warm up band for The Stax Show in Glasgow with Otis Redding, Booker.T.&.The MG's. Lucky git or what? Would love to hear more of the Blues Council, another nugget of our Scottish 60's Beat Scene! Long may it continue.

N.G. MODS · 1 year ago

It actuaIly looks quite professional, well done jimmy on the editing, need to start on the other bands now. If anybody else has anymore information on the above bands it would be great too hear about it.

Janny · 1 year ago

Wow, fab info N.G. and loving the track!

Chris C · 1 year ago

A guy that I currently work with actually knew the band quite well and played on the same bill as them quite often. I will see if I can gather any more information about them when he next comes in on Thursday. He told me that they used to play quite a lot at the first allnighter club in Glasgow, which was a bit of a Mod haunt during the 1960s. The club was based in West Regent street.

admin · 1 year ago

Hi N.G its all your work there is not much to show in order to get it looking like that... If I get the tiome over the next weeks I could meet with you all so we can start to input your own articles.

N.G. MODS · 1 year ago

That would be great Chris, I know they played the Scene Club on West Regent Street in the sixties, also cause off the accident the single was going too get pulled, but the families insisted it should be released.

Charlie · 1 year ago

Another great photo of a band on www.rockingscots.co.uk is The Jacobeats, very "Scots Wha Hey" looking 60's Beat combo,been a great week so far for finding rare talent, and giving them the recognition they richly deserve.

Chris C · 1 year ago

I will ask on Thursday NG. I was talking to Hugh to day about The Blues Council and he was wondering how in hell I knew about them. He told me their names, and how they used to meet up quite a bit, and about the allnight club they played at quite a lot around 1964. It was up a close next to that wee bar called 'Afredo's' I think in West Nile street, although I think I had earlier said West Regent street

The guy I work with was in a band in the 60s and they played support to The Stones at Hamilton in 1963. Mick Jagger gave him his tambourine after the gig,and got all the band (including Brian Jones) to sign it. To his lasting regret he gave it away about a year later.

Anyway, a very good discovery NG. The music does sound really quite good.

N.G. MODS · 1 year ago

Sorry Chris, wrong street, The Scene Club was on West Nile Street and opened by a guy called Joe McCourtney. The Blues Council was also formed by Bill Patrick who was also a bandleader at the Glasgow Plaza Ballroom.

It will be interesting to get more information on the band, as theres not much documented about them at all.

Charlie · 1 year ago

Here, Scotland had its"Blues Council" long before Paul Weller had his "Style Council"! hee, hee! We were first, cause we are the Mods!

LC · 1 year ago

Great little R&B tune, love it :-)

LC · 1 year ago

Love to see a photo of them, if any exist?

Charlie · 1 year ago

Hello Lammy Chick, we will do our best to try and locate, a photo of the band, there are more rare finds to come, good music eh? A total original gem of a find from N.G. Say hi to Steve 01 for me, hope to see you'se both soon, all the best.

Chris C · 1 year ago

I think I have done the same as you the other night Lammy and pressed a wrong button that knackered all the text I had written. Here's hoping it does not go out twice.

Anyway, the finding of this obscure track by NG shows that there may be a few gems out there still to be uncovered. It is also interesting to find out that there was a Scene Club MK 1 in West Nile street.

I remember once taking a crazy, mad gamble and splashing out all of 20p in the Briggait on a 45 rpm track by a 60s Glasgow band called The Poets. It turned out to be very good, very bluesy and well worth at least 50p. I am not sure if I still have it somewhere in the attic or if it was one of the many that I left in the houses of various people long ago. I do remember it wasfrom 1964 and was fairly badly scratched so it would be no use even if I did still have it.

N.G. MODS · 1 year ago

As wee speak Chris I'm working on a few more classic 45s that should get a bit more recognition. I reckon The Poets 45 you have will be "Now We're Thru" it was their most common, I think I may have all their 45s ! but they have been well documented in the past and I believe there is an compilation LP out now.

It actually had taken me quite a few years too finally track down the Blues Council 45 and as for the Eddie's Crowd, it just makes you wonder what else is out there !!!

Felonious · 1 year ago

The band that supported the Stax tour at the Locarno was Studio Six.

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The Bill Patrick Six featuring Maggie Bell was also the resident band at the Locarno.</img>

Charlie · 1 year ago

Was Jim Breakey Studio Six drummer not a former ex Poets member Felonius?, read somewhere that drummer Raymond Duffy from The Gaylords relplaced him in The Poets for their single "Wooden Spoon/ In Your Tower on their Decca 1967 release as the new drummer Stuart MacKenzie was still merry from the night before on the day of recording, rock'n'roll eh?

N.G. MODS · 1 year ago

Thats corrrect Charlie Jim Breakey quit The Poets for Studio Six, when you start reading into it, you find that most musicians were in quite a few different bands. Hopefully we'll get these 45s up in due course for all too hear and enjoy.

Felonious · 1 year ago

At the time it was said The Poets had a higher staff turnover than Glasgow Corporation Transport.

Interesting article on The Poets here (although I don't think the author has an LlB in Scots Law)

http://www.marmalade-skies.co.uk/poets.htm
video here
http://subpower.blogspot.com/2008/01/poets-now-...

and an interview with George Gallacher

http://www.richieunterberger.com/gallacher.html

and an extract from Richie Unterburger's book Urban Spacemen and Wayfaring Strangers: Overlooked Innovators and Eccentric...

http://tinyurl.com/664fzr

I'll set the exam paper next week.

Felonious

Chris C · 1 year ago

Well done to you NG for putting these tracks out into the open again. There are obviously a lot of obscure records from 60s bands out there,but a lot will be garbage if we are being honest. These tracks are very good.

I think you have got The Poets record spot on. I would not bet any big money on it, but I am sure that it may well have been called 'Now wer'e Through.' If it is the same record there was an excellent harmonica bit in it somewhere.

I wonder if any bands would think of calling themselves The Gaylords now. I remember reading old newspapers from the early 60s commenting on one of the Mod Balls saying the Mods are so gay. I also have a football book from 1965. It shows the Morton side from that year displaying all their five different kits, with different colours. The headline above is 'How Gay can you get.' Changed days indeed !

N.G. MODS · 1 year ago

The Gaylords, interesting, I may actually put that up at sometime as well, but theres better to come than that, its just trying to find some information on the bands, thats the problem. Most of these records have made a compilation somewhere down the road, but as far as I'm aware the Blues Council and a few others haven't had that recognition yet.

Now that its in the open and the word is being spread we may get a few people logging on and telling us what it was like being at a Blues Council gig in Glasgow !

Chris C · 1 year ago

I am quite sure that my mate from work will be able to tell everyone exactly what the Blues Council gigs were like. He was only in for a short time on Tuesday hence the reason why I only gained a small bit of info. I can't remember the name of my colleagues band in the early 60s, but I will mention it tomorrow. It will be interesting to find out if any you guys with the real knowledge have heard of them.

N.G. MODS · 1 year ago

Look forward too that Chris, just been up the loft digging out all my Scottish Beat apart from The Poets and Beatstalkers. Need to listen and see if any are worth putting up, and thats including my Gaylords 45 haha

Charlie · 1 year ago

I have a few Poets singles around , I have The Studio Six single "When I See My Baby", to be honest I prefer the B side, need to dig out my Beat Stalkers single, I have The Anteeeks single, that is a killer track A and B sides, maybe if NG wants to put them together and we will do a Scottish 60's Beat Bands Jukebox, put up the best tracks, do a showcase of how much potential was there, what do you think N.G?

Chris C · 1 year ago

It would be good to hear some more of the local 1960s music NG . From what limited amounts I have heard there were quite a few decent bands about in the early to mid 60s in Glasgow and the surrounding areas.

It would also be quite interesting to draw up a directory of past clubs, and who played there in the 60s. The famous one would obviously be Lulu in the Lindella. But now we know that the Blues Council played at the original Scene Club. Another supposedly good concert venue was what was recently the Odeon picture house.

N.G. MODS · 1 year ago

Thats a good idea Charlie, but it will take time. I suppose its better too have them up in some form as opposed to nothing.

Artists I've found include, Alex Harvey, The Vikings, The Stoics, 20th Century Sounds, The Roosters, The Black Ring, The Roosters, The Poor Souls, My Dear Watson, Dean Ford and The Gaylords, The Athenians, Bobby Patrick Six, The Gaylords, Scot's Of St James, The Luvvers, One In A Million, heres betting Chris's work buddy wasn't in any of them !!! I suppose we can also throw in The Beatstakers and Poets although I have too say theres a few I dont have.... The Buzz, Boston Dexters, Johnny and The Copycats, 1-2-3, and I can't remember if The Pathfinders released anything, and I'm sure I've forgotten one or two.

Trying to find articles and pictures is even harder than obtaining the records !

Charlie · 1 year ago

Another Glasgow Beat Band is The Beat Merchants, I would like to get some info on them, I am sure N.G I can locate pictures and articles of about 70% of articles and photos of most bands you have mentioned, after tomorrow I will source these, we have the music, it won't take long, The Cyber Crowbar at admin, never sleeps!, we will put up a Juke Box and Video, in the next week or so, cheers!

Charlie · 1 year ago

Hi N.G,The Buzz and The Boston Dexters are the same band, we may be able to locate "Your Holding Me Down" by The Buzz, their line up wasJohnny Turnbull(guitar) Tam White (vocals) Brian Henderson (bass)and Mike Travis(drums) If we can get a hold of this, we will put it in our Scottish Beat Band JukeBox, The original Boston Dexters drummer and bass player were Toto McNaughton and Alan Coventry, the band split in 1966,they had recorded 2 singles on Columbia "I've Got Something To Tell You" and "Try Hard". If you are on the lookout for their records, I hope you find this info of some use, al the best.

Chris C · 1 year ago

My Good friend and original 1960s band dude Hugh Phillips has given me a wee bit more info on the Blues Council.

He did indeed see them live on many an occasion, and he said they were very good. They were like the Stones in that they did a lot of R&B stuff, like Bo Diddley, JLH, and Muddy Waters. The club that we have been talking about on West Nile Street was called 'The Allnighter.' Maybe it became the Scene Club at a later date. Hugh recalls it as being quite small, but it was very popular with musicians as it was on until 3 or 4 am. Like the later 80s Scene Club it was not licensed to sell booze. The last time Hugh was there was sometime in 1964. As he was going up the stairs a guy was coming down covered in blood, he had been stabbed, which later led to the club closing, yet again like the later Scene Club.

Hugh remembers most of the bands mentioned above by NG, and he told me that Dean Ford and the Gaylords later became The Marmalade. He was talking to one of the guys who was in The Poets two weeks ago, the guys surname was Gallagher. (Not Noel)

Other places that Hugh remembers The Blues Council playing were The 7.30 Club in Giffnock, and Lennoxbank House in Balloch. These were places that his own band Beat Unlimited played quite often as well.

Thats about it for the moment. Hugh is going to tell one of his friends who was a big Blues Council fan about the site. Maybe he will look in and be able to tell us some more info about this talented but short lived Glasgow band. I meant to mention that Hugh also said that the lead singer with Blues Council was right in the Mod thing.

N.G. MODS · 1 year ago

Good information Chris, adds a wee bit more too the story, who knows one day we might get the full story, and someone out there must have that elusive picture of the band. Its good too know long before The Who and Small Faces, Glasgow also had its own Mod band.

Sounds like your pal was talking to the lead singer of The Poets, George Gallagher, I hope I've got that right.

As for someone being stabbed in a Glasgow niteclub, not very original is it, not even for the 1960s !

Charlie · 1 year ago

Excellent info Chris, excellent,if your good friend has a Discography and newspaper clippings of his band Beat Unlimited, that would be fascinating to see, I believe The Gaylords and Marmalades drummer Raymond Duffy was sometimes pulled in to cover as a drummer with The Poets, the Scottish Beat scene was a beehive of activity in the 60's. You never stop learning something new in life,eh? Cheers Chris and Hugh, would love too hear more about your band!

steveo1 · 1 year ago

anybody know anything about a mod club in the 60's called THE CAVE ,which was off jamaica street in glasgow, it was under a railway tunnel i believe.

steveo1 · 1 year ago

what about the RAY MACVEY SOUND from sunny GREENOCK they are worth a mention i suppose,and where about in the 60's

Chris C · 1 year ago

I did ask Hugh if he had any photos of the Blues Council but sadly he did not. He is sure he has a magazine somewhere from the early 60, and it mentions quite a lot of the band that Charlie and NG have talked about. He certainly has some stuff on his own band which I will ask for and send in. One relates to the time they played second fiddle to the Stones at Hamilton in 1963. He also mentions playing in a battle of the bands competition in which they won and Johnny and the Copycats were third.

I am sad to say that you are right about how things like violence do not change over the years NG. Glasgow had its worst periods of gang violence in the 1930s and the 1960s. If you read original newspapers from the time you frequently see reports of gang fights in places like Easterhouse involving hundreds of young guys. It was sadly a big part of the Glasgow Mod scene in the 60s, with scoooter gangs like the Shamrock and Maryhill fleet waging all out war against each other on many a weekend. It would be intersting to go back and read more original material and find out more about the clubs like the one mentioned by Steveo 1.

N.G. MODS · 1 year ago

Chris I found some more information on the Blues Council, but unfortunately you can't cut and paste onto this site, so I will need too type it up within the next day or two. Please bear with me, it is quite interesting

Felonious · 1 year ago

The Cave was as you describe was in Midland street but where I'm not so sure. Was it in The Arches, Rockers or where the Sub Club is now with a different entrance?

Whilst there was big set tos in some of the schemes in Glasgow the numbers were prone to exaguration unlike the very accurate recall of contributors to Glasgowmods.


You can copy and paste but you have to use the functions on the tool bar under Edit menu.

Felonious

Chris C · 1 year ago

Sounds very interesting NG. There is definitely a lot of fascinating stuff out there waiting to be brought back into the public domain. I used to spend a lot of time in the Mitchell Library looking at the old newspapers from the 1960s, looking at what was in the charts, what people were wearing up here, and local events in general. It was a really interesting period in history, both socially and politically, as well as with the music and youth scene. People go on about these wee neds that go about to day with their crap music blaring from their crap bangers of cars. But if they had lived in the 30s or 60s they would have probably came across disorder on a scale that never happens to day. The music was a lot better I have to admit though. (in the 60s, not the 30s)

N.G. MODS · 1 year ago

Heres some quotes I found on another site.

“Hope I'm not to late regarding this Forum but reference the Blues Council definatelly the best band in Glasgow in 1964 1965 I remember them playing as the resident band in The Bagatelle Club (the old church at the top of Dundas Street where the Buchanan Gallerys are now) also the Scene Club West Nile Street (building demolished recently).
Purchased their single "Baby Dont Look Down" at a benefit gig for the band after the accident.(still have the single)They were involved in a crash on the A8 heading back to Glasgow after a gig in Edinburgh.
Cant remember if the benefit gig was in the Locarno or Barrowlands but it was a who's who of Glasgow bands at the time.
Thought theyd be the next big thing at the time but not to be.”

“What about my favourite - the Blues Council - still think it was a tragedy when Fraser Calder got killed - I often think that John Byrne's Tutti Frutti was based around that accident.”

“best band at the time was the Blues Council, remember them blowing Georgie Fame & his BF's away...think it was at the old concert hall.”

“I have to agree with Linky on this one, the best band at the time, for me, was the Blues Council.”

“The Scene Club was about 2 closes down from the junction at Bath Street just before the pub it was 2 flights of stairs up a close.( If my memory serves me well)
Was closed down after a horrific murder of a bouncer.”

“Thanks for that. There's been a wee bit of discussion where ballrooms were and I think before everything is demolished we should pin down where the clubs were. The Scene Club was where in relation to the Bay Horse pub which was the bit of West Nile Street recently demolished?”

Thanks for that information Felonious, computers are easy if you know what your doing !!!

Charlie · 1 year ago

Hi Steve 01, if you have any info on The Ray MacVey Sound we would be certainly add it to the list of Scottish Beat Bands, cheers, say hi to Lammy Chick for me, all the best.

Chris C · 1 year ago

What you have on the original Scene Club (or Allnighter) certainly fits in perfectly with what Hugh Phillips told me yesterday NG. He said it was next to the Bath Street part of West Nile street, but he thought it was a the top of the stairs. He also recalled it being shut down after someone being stabbed. He also said there was a music shop there at the time. Either George Gallagher from The Poets worked in it, or his family owned it according to Hugh.

It is not ever going to be an exact science when people are trying to recall details from 44 years ago. The next time I am in the town and have some time to spare I am definitely going to use some of my research skills and have a look at some primary sources to see if I can find evidence of where these clubs were, and also if there is anything on bands such as Blues Council.

steveo1 · 1 year ago

Charlie, Lammy says hi :-) and catch you next week at the weekender. The Ray MacVay Sound hitched up with Larry Page the Kinks producer and were a a very Hammond driven band in the 60's. Their 1st record "Raunchy" was released in 65 and their last record "Call me Mr Tibb's" (cover version) in 71. Other than that don't know much more about them, apart from them coming from Greenock as already mentioned. Lammy Chick has asked if a copy of the Blues Council "Baby don't look down" will be available for the Mod Weekender next week, as she thinks it's great.

Charlie · 1 year ago

Hi Steve01 and mrs Lammy Chick! See you'se at The Mod Weekender, the record won't be available for The Weekender, as the copy right is retained by the owner, but I am sure, something can be arranged in the near future and we will keep everyone informed on the records availability as we can see it has stirred a lot of positive response and growing interest, each day, cheers and see you'se both soon! WE ARE THE MODS!

steveo1 · 1 year ago

Charlie, Hi it's Lammy Chick, I can't access the site anymore for some reason :-( Yip we will be at the weekender, got the to keep the scene alive. Shame that we can't have a little shimmy on the dance floor to the The Blues Council, as the Glasgow Mod Weekender seems the most appropriate place to have a shimmy to it at. Maybe next year?? Can't wait until next weekend.

Charlie · 1 year ago

Well I could possibly see if the owner would loan me the copy of The Blues Council to ask Mikey or one of the boys to play it as a request at The Weekender,but I don't know if they would I will e-mail Mikey and ask him, it would be an opporunity as a platform to play this gem of a find. If you contact Jimmy at admin@glasgowmods.co.uk Lammy Chick, he will help you with the access queries, the "Cyber Crowbar" never sleeps. I look forward to a wee shimmy with you at The Weekender, we have unearthed a lot of very good material and rare 60's one offs for everyone to enjoy shortly. All the best Lammy Chick, is Rab "Scooter" Souter going to make an appearance at The Weekender?

Chris C · 1 year ago

Nothing to do with Blues Council this time. I have told everyone all there is to know about them, so let that be an end to it.

Anyway, I am also very much looking forward to the Saturday night bash at the Winchester Club, and no, I won't make any silly comment about barman Dave, Terry, and Arthur Daley being there.

Since McChuills is just around the corner I will be in there for a small refreshment (or two) from about nine bells. If no one knows me I will be dressed as a Mod, so be sure to say hello.

stuartmac · 1 year ago

Hi guys, This was a strange thing to come across cos Larry Quinn from the Blues Council is my stepfather. Just told him this is online, happy to pass any questions on to him.
Stu

N.G. MODS · 1 year ago

Thanks for geeting in touch Stu. Larry wouldn't happen to have any pictures etc that he would like too share with the site ? all information would be greatly appreciated

Charlie · 1 year ago

Hi stuartmac, if you contact admin@glasgowmods.co.uk we would love to hear
your your stepda's Larry's recounts of his day's with this brilliant band,any newspaper clippings, or possible photos Larry would like to share with us, would be as N.G asked, would be appreciated,all credit goes to N.G for bringing The Blues Council to our attention. Cheers

N.G. MODS · 1 year ago

Just like to add, that Frankie Miller after he quit The Del-Jacks formed a new band with some members from the Blues Council and a few others and called the band Sock 'Em JB. Also stated that he loved to see the Blues Council perform at The Scene Club, Glasgow, and thought they were all great musicians. Sock 'Em JB mainly done a lot of soul stuff.

Charlie · 1 year ago

This tune just grows on you, cool, met a guy in Sleazies who was gobsmacked to hear this record has been unearthed, he remembers seeing the band and he never knew they had ever cut any vinyl in their heyday, you learn something new everyday in life. There is a lot more to come,oh yes indeed!

N.G. MODS · 1 year ago

Thats the tunes sorted out again Mr Charles

Charlie · 1 year ago

Some rare R&B Scottish style from the Blues Council, another "find", from N.G
The Indiana Jones of R&B!!!!

Janny · 1 year ago

This needs to be brought to the top again, such a good track!

CharlieM · 1 year ago

Putting The Scotlight Back On Scotland!!!! Classic song!!

Michael B. · 9 months ago

This is bizarre. Before my dad died a few years he used to regularly tell me stories of Alex and Les Harvey; the Soul Band, The Blues Council, The Bobby Patrick Big 6 etc. Since he has died I have unearthed and (through your good selves) discovered rarities like this. I am absolutely gutted that he is not here to hear this with me but thanks all the same.

James T · 9 months ago

Hi Michael, great that you found the site and found the songs that put a smile on your face and at the same time give you fond memories.

Larry Quinn · 9 months ago

Let me know what you are interested in and i will try to oblige. Larry Quinn. Sax player with Blues Council & Sockem J'B (Frankie Miller did not form this band. That was down to Big John MiginnIs) and ask anyone who went to Burns cottage on a saturday morning for the jam session what this band sounded like. TOPS!