Well done with getting the photos in so early Robert, I have forgot to take my camera attachment with me into work, so I will have to nip out at lunch time to get them printed off, and then send them to Jimmy. Where is the cafe, It looks like Duke St ?
Great day yesterday, with meeting everyone, and having so many brilliant scooters turning up. I hope it stayed dry for the actual run out. Someone should have suggested that the scooters go down the clydeside to recreate the famous October 81 film, although despite there being a helluva lot yesterday, it was not quite in those numbers.
JimmyTheMod
· 1 year ago
chris it is indeed Coias cafe in Duke Street....
Janny
· 1 year ago
Sorry to have missed it - the Janny Jnrs would have loved the scoots!
Danny
· 1 year ago
Jimmy,
how you doing mate?
sorry i never got to see you when you were up on a visit mate. I checked around at Kelso just in case you's were there, but then the drink kicked in and it went blurry!!!
Ive got a few pics of the weekend mate i'll email to you, i only got a few before the batteries ran out, typical!
JimmyTheMod
· 1 year ago
hi Danny I was more centred around glasgow, once am through my busy period we will definitely hook up, thanks for the photies ....... looked like a great weekend..
Charlie
· 1 year ago
Brilliant photos, of a memorable weekender, excellent photos from all those who sent them in, Glasgow should be re named the "windy city" more photos still to come, loads more.
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
I've seen enough photos charlie, i'm going to take a well earned rest !!!
JimmyTheMod
· 1 year ago
another 40 photos added from henry. thanks once again great pictures showing great characters.
stevie fae cranhill
· 1 year ago
Looks like another great weekend i have missed out on!
Was there ever so many scooters on Duke Street/Queen Street!?!
Charlie
· 1 year ago
Hi Steve, it was a brilliant weekend, Queen St was chocca! A few people I had met from Cranhill were singing your praises on your "Harlem Shuffle" Video, and why not? Its a gem of a Video.
stevie fae cranhill
· 1 year ago
Wow - thanks for that Charlie. i'll try to put something else together.
i was going to ask NG Jim how's it going with that USB turntable? i was thinking about getting one - all my vinyl is gathering dust at the moment!
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
Stevie, the turntable is doing fine, been doing a bit of recording today, but its very time comsuming, still dont know what half the settings are for, suppose I'll never will. As long as I get sound I'm happy. I did do Charlies sounds for The Jags, although I would like to state there not my 45s ! are they Charlie ?
Felonious
· 1 year ago
Is your vinyl gathering dust? Take it to the home for the chronically groovy and last resting place of the teminally hip (we also uplift) where it will be carefully looked after and taken on the occasional evening out to place with a smoke free atmosphere. Visits can be arranged and you may leave with a CDR copy of your former loved ones or a full MP3 player.
Although I remember a few Mods coming from Dennistoun in my time I don't think there would have been more than the scooters that were parked outside of Coias on Sunday. I definitely never saw anywhere near as many on Queen Street at any other time.
The main places that I remember seeing a lot of scooters parked during the early 80s were 1) On Union street, just across from Virgin 2) The wee inshot place in front of the bandstand and 3) Down at the Barras, especially on a Sunday.
Charlie
· 1 year ago
Hello Ochiltree, East Ayrshire, hope there are a few of your scoots and yourselves in amongst the Weekender photos,some classic photos in there, hope you enjoy seeing them, all the best from Charlie.
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
Charlie, i've just found Watermelon Man by Mongo Santamaria, do you want it posted up ? haha
Chris C
· 1 year ago
Was that the guy that played for Real Madrid in the 1960s NG ? My cousin had an intersting conversation outside the Winchester on Sunday morning with an English skin. According to this guy Skinheads were actually around in 64, and a lot of the people that are in the Barnes 'Mods' book are actually skins. Personally I think that is utter pants and that the skinhead cult did not come in until the late 1960s, but what do other people think.
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
Mongo Satanmaria, he was Real's inside left (IL), god the old bibs from school with all the out of date positions. I think this is another attempt to rewrite history, next Charlie will be on here claiming the Mods were listening to Jerry Lee Lewis before the Rockers. I was actually in one of the pubs in London, Putney to be precise, were photographs of the Mods on their scooters, outside the pub was published in the Mods book. Don't see any Skinheads in the photos, now, if he was saying, that the early origins of the Skinhead movement could be traced back to the Mod scene in 1964, well thats a total different point all together !
You might have started something here Chris ?
Chris C
· 1 year ago
I think you are right on both accounts NG. Santamaria was certainly (ok possibly) a wide player in that great team that dominated European football for so long.
I also agree that there is an argument that the forerunners of the Skinheads can be traced to the hard Mods of the early to mid 60s. But to say that they were actually skins, is to me, taking it too far. I certainly did not see any signs in any of the early 60s mod photos, of what I would consider to be skinheads.
What pub were you in in Putney? Is it the one where Mick on his GT 200 is sitting outside with his girlfriend on the back, waiting to go to Brighton or Margate. In last months Scootering there are a lot of photos of the same crowd. I think one of them is taken as they all leave from the same pub.
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
What pub in Putney Chris, to be honest, all of them haha I cant recall the actual name of the pub I was in, but I do look forward to seeing how this point develops.
As for Mongo "El Vendedor de sandias" Santamaria, he does this lovely four track EP, Spanish issue I may add, available at all record shops now....
Chris C
· 1 year ago
It sounds as if you had a rare old time in the East End of London NG. I actually don't know for definite that Putney is in the East End, but somehow I have always thought that it was. Do they still sell that 'Courage' beer that can be seen outside of the bar, where Dave Putney and his lot are amassing.
Its funny how people take certain things and stretch them, as with the skinhead guy. When I first saw the Mods book a lot of guys from Royston believed that one of the guys in the pictures from 64 was an original Garngad Mod. He had a white jacket with the letters 'TS' on it, and a lot of people belived it stood for 'Tiny Shamrock,' I was more than dubious, but some people actually believed it to be true.
I am not familiar with Mongo El Vendedor de sandias Santamaria's version of Watermelon man, but I have to say that for his name alone, he should win a prize.
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
Chris, I believe Putney is south west London, the thing I remember most about that particular night, was dropping some of my kebab onto my brand new dessie boots, I was well pissed off. There was another pub I went into, and there was all these wine bottles in a cabinet at the table we were sitting. Got the cabinet open only to find out the bottles were all empty haha
As for Mongo Santamaria "El Vendedor de sandias" I believe this is the Spanish for Watermelon Man !!! well thats what it says on the sleeve. If any of our Spanish viewers are tuning in, can you please inform us, if that is the case.
I like the TS story, Glasgow will put a claim to anything going on out there ! I'll need to have a think on that one
Chris C
· 1 year ago
A kebab (or pakora) is always a sure sign of a good night out, or drunkenness. I know exactly how you feel NG because I have spilled pakora sauce over numerous tops over the years, especially light coloured ones.
Good to know that Putney is in the south west. I don't know for the life of me why, but I always had this notion that it was in the East end. This was based on absolutely nothing I have also to admit. Bad luck about the wine bottles. A few years ago we were at a Christmas party and the people coming to their table next to us came a bit late. Suffice to say that their free bottles of table wine were nowhere to be seen.
It would be good to think that a Glasgow Mod had been at Brighton in 64. I suppose it is always possible, and some of the 80s Garngad Mods even had a name for the guy in the book, but my suspicious mind was not really convinced. I know the 60s Glasgow Mods regularly descended on Blackpool but I think Brighton is a bit too far for those times.
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
Fell asleep drunk on the tube a few times, woke up one night in the Putney / Richmond area, it was a total hassle getting back home on a Sunday morning. At least in Glasgow, if you fell asleep on the bus you had an hour and a halfs walk and your home, down there ! Nightmare
I'm waiting for Charlie to pick up on El Vendedor de sandias, I even saw a copy of House of Bamboo for sale the other day.
I'll need to get the Mods book out and see if any great stories spring too mind !
Chris C
· 1 year ago
Do you actually stay down south now NG, or is it just a visit ? You are right about being able to walk home here. I could not book a taxi by phone on Sunday morning from the Winchester, so I left about 2.45 hoping to get a taxi in the street, but thinking that I may possibly have to walk it home to Bishopbriggs. As it turned out I was lucky and managed to flag down a cab near High Street train station.
Charlie will do well to click with the Spanish translation of Watermelon Man. It went right over my head. If it was in Italian I would have had a small chance of spotting it, but not Spanish. I can tell you that the Spanish for 'One Step Beyond' is 'Uno Passo Adalante' because I once stupidly bought the Spanish version of the Madness classic. You should have bought the Jerry Lee Lewis version of 'House of Bamboo' that would have been doubly good for Charlie.
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N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
No not now, but I think alot of people have tried the London experience, maybe in the hope of trying to recaputre their youth. The one thing I would say in its defence, plenty of bands and artists performing every week, spoilt for choice, That Secret Affair gig in a few months time looks pretty appealing, done the last two in London when I was there, Shepherds Bush Empire and the Scala, got alot of time for Pagey, down the front shouting "WE ARE THE MODS".
Ah the old boundary fare to the Briggs in a taxi, still remember when the BYT were running at the WYT and I had to drive my scooter right through the lot of them, one of those surreal moments in time, they didn't know what was happening and neither did I. Felt like being John Wayne surrounded with those damm injuns !!! haha
Felonious
· 1 year ago
If you read the Melody Makers from the mid sixties in the Mitchell you will see references to Glasgow's crew cutted mods. Everything bar the Doc Martens was in place. Bleached Levis and Wranglers, Short Sleeved checked shirts (more Arthur Blacks than Ben Shermans) braces and oxblood brogues. Now was the cropped hair a throw to the original fifties Ivy League look or was it related to the shorn locks of graduates of Scotland's approved schools?
Chris C
· 1 year ago
I personally feel there is huge amounts of evidence to point to the fact that Mods from the early/mid 60s did have a huge amount in common with later skins with regards to the look. There are numerous photos of groups of skinheads around 68/69 and it is hard to tell them apart from Mods a few years earlier. In one column in a music mag (possibly MM) the writer mistakes skinheads for mods, so it is fairly certain that there was a lot in common. But would it be right to actually class these hard looking Mods as skins, I am not so sure about that.
I remember coming home from Easterhouse to Sighthill and encountering what you were talking about NG. Two gangs were giving it laldy across edinburgh road, and I had to drive right through it.
I know what you are talking about with regards to the bands that play down south. I am still very envious about the great gigs that take place in London.
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Janny
· 1 year ago
That would be the Toi and the Bar-L, remember those fights across Edinburgh Road well!
Chris C
· 1 year ago
Thank you for that Janny. Since I began to type that wee memory from 1981 it has been doing my head in about the name of the mob from that side of the Edinburgh Road. I remembered one lot as being the Bar-L, but for the life of me I could not remember the Torran Toi, who also used to have an occasional barny with the Easterhouse skinheads, although none of them were actually skinheads by the early 80s.
And you are right about that F..... boundary charge NG. I thought the charge was okay on Sunday morning at £13, and then the guy hit me with a boundary charge of £4.60 or something, what a swizz, although in truth he had told me about it before we set off.
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
Never take a hackney to the Briggs, thats my bit of advice for the day unless its full !!! I remember getting bricked up in Bar-L on my Vespa, and that was in the scheme. Interesting programme on last nite about Glasgow gang violence, they reckon theres 170 gangs in Glasgow, and the Glasgow Mods didn't even get a mention !!! whats that all about ?
Anyway going back to the original point on this thread, I would agree there Chris in some photos you see its hard to tell whos the Mod and whos the Skinhead, I suppose it would all come down to the indivuals musical tastes, and unfortunately the picture can't speak.
Chris C
· 1 year ago
I would certainly agree that a taxi from Glasgow to Bishie is to be avoided unless it is an emergency NG.
I was lucky enough that time on Edinburgh Road in that they were more interested in skelping each other than me. But I did get a few stones coming my way one time in Provanhall when a mob of wee Elvis rocakabilly lookalikes took a dislike to me and my scooter. I suppose listening to that Sydney Devine music can't be good for anyone.
I have possibly opened up a question that has no definitive answer. I certainly think that the Mods from 64/65, even the tough looking one's with short hair were mods, and not skins. The same applies to a photo of a bunch of skins chasing a rocker from 68/69. Although they looked as much like mods as skins I am certain that most would be the latter. I suppose its the same as the origins of the Mod cult. Would it be right to date it back to 1958 when the Italian look and Modern Jazz was really big. I am not looking for an answer to that one, Its just possibly a fair comparison.
Charlie
· 1 year ago
Hi Chris, the Skinheads and Bar-l used to have massive barneys on Edinburgh Rd, the Easterhouse Skinheads were originally started from the release of Clockwork Orange,thats when it kicked off, I lived in Lochbridge Road 79-81 it was probably the Bar-l and The Skinheads giving it laldy on the time you recall, my Ma's partner has a photo of Blackpool 64 with him and 3 of his pals with a Lammy, but he won't part with it,I have been trying for weeks to get the photo plus a few others, too set in their ways, but I will keep on trying, thats guaranteed.If you and Robert e-mail your addresses I am getting some disc made up, of the Weekender photos. I will post them to you, enjoy!!!
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
To add too that Chris, I would like to say from 1967 - 1979, there was still a lot of people who would consider themselves Mods, fashions were changing that quickly. People didn't stop driving scooters or collecting records, if you dig deep enough, you'll find the evidence to support the fact, that the Mod scene was still going on in some form or another. Theres Dennis Waterman in "Up The Junction" where hes driving a Lambretta, theres also a few Lambretta scenes in a Norman Wisdom film from 1969 "Whats Good For The Goose" where he goes clubbing in all his Psych gear and The Pretty Things are playing. The fashions in Newcastle in the Michael Caine Film "Get Carter" from 1971, I think visual images help to create a better image of life in those times. It just one of those things, that you can keep on debating and talking about.
Just like the 1990s, if you wanted to find a Mod Nite, you would get one, only meant you had anything up to a 800 mile round trip from where we are based.
One last thing, reflecting back to times in the 1980s, I can recall certain individuals one week being a Mod the next a Skinhead, then back to being a Mod or whatever, practically still wearing the same style of clothes, and someone like myself who knew what was what, could only go what the individual was saying. Thought I would just add that in......
Chris C
· 1 year ago
Some really good points there NG.
When they talk about Mods dying out by 1967 I suppose they are focusing mainly on the south east of England, and London in particular. But you are right about the Dennis Waterman film with the Lambretta, so there must have been some who kept on being Mods even down there.
I have read many a report about the mod scene being very big in the north of England long after 1968, and it is probably fair to say that there would have been a fusion of Mod and Skinhead styles as both were definitley going around at the same time. I also remember working with an older guy who was from Provanmill. He told me he was a Mod around 1970, which at first I was dubious about. But he was obviously right and there were definitley still Mods in Glasgow at that time.
In Hugh Collins' book he talks about his friend from Royston who dressed very sharp in the late 60s, but had his hair cropped due to the fact that it helped when he was fighting. He does not mantion if the guy was a Mod or skin, but description wise he sounds like he was a hard Mod.
I also remember a few people changing styles more than their socks. One guy became a temporary rockabilly and we met him out the town one day. There was a big crowd of us and we were giving him a bit of a ribbing. One of the guys noticed that one of his mates had on a FAM badge and the mood changed somewhat. I also remember a good friend whose hair started going very early and he then started hanging out with the Scotstoun Skins.
Cheers for the offer of the disk Charlie, I will e-mail you back later when I can remember my home e-mail address. I actually remember (I was about 8) the Provy Rebs fighting the Gyto near Provanhall, and most of the guys were all skinheads. This was around 1972/73 when the style was first on the go, and they looked as smart as hell.
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
Charlie you must be lurking around somewhere, whats your take on this debate ? I've got you down as a late teenager in 1967 !
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
Chris, I would just like to add, I remember reading the Brian May article in Record Collector years ago (yes, him with all that hair) and he kept a diary and photos from the early part of his career. I was totally gobsmacked when I saw him all Modded up in his bands in the late 1960s
Charlie
· 1 year ago
Loads of 70's bands were all in 60's Mod bands, like Gentle Giant, who were Simon Dupree and The Big Sound, its all Rock Roots, I remember Roddy Frame running about The Lindella and Scene Club with us, 2 years later he didn't have the b***s to admit he was a Mod and quoted the Sex Pistols as his main influences when Aztec Camera hit the charts in the early 80's.This was the same guy piling in at the "Gathering Of The Clans" at George Square,how quickly they forget when record companies wave the wedge in front of their puff powdered faces!!! Prostitute their souls to make the "big time" and spend the rest of their fame having hissy fits about the pressures of fame?? Drama Queens!
Chris C
· 1 year ago
The old adage about learning something new every day comes into its own with this site.I have to be honest and admit that I did not know that Angie Watts' other half had decent taste at one stage of his life. He must have taken too many drugs to end up as he did.
One guy that I was totally shocked to hear that he had some good taste in music was mad Lemmy from Motorhead. I once heard him being interviewed about his favourite records and he came out with stuff like The Action, Johns Children, and The Birds. He used to go to places like The Marquee and saw all those bands in the mid to late 60s. In saying that we used to meet a lot of Blue Angels in the Griffin bar. It was amazing once you got talking to them how many had started off as Mods in the 60s.
I also have to admit that I can't remember Roddy Frame being a Mod Charlie. In fact I was totally 'Oblivious' to that. Okay I'll get my jacket.
pinky
· 1 year ago
Didnt Roddy Frame used to be in a band called the stilletos ?? Im sure they were mod ish ??!!
steveo1
· 1 year ago
I would say that Skinhead became a fashion in it's own right about 68-69, which was a way for the hard mods to distance themselves from the hippes and the likes. I believe they were first recongnised as Skins in late 67 at West Ham's FC's terraces. Scooters were still part of their style. As already mentioned, many people remained true to the Mod fashion up to the late 70's and then we us revival lot hit the scene in 78 onwards, but that's a different story. Richard Allen's book "Spirit of 69" is seen as good reference for this period, as is Richard Barnes book is to us Mods.
stevie fae cranhill
· 1 year ago
Anybody recall that 'soul' band 'Hipsway.' I remember bumping into the singer in a club in Glasgow and remarking on his cool weejuns (thinking maybe he was a bit of a mod). He looked at me and said: 'what...?' I said 'yur weejuns, they're really cool, where did you get them?' His reply: 'whit are weejuns...?' I guess he was never a mod then...
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
Chris, Angie Watts other half, well documented, but what of Angie herself ? I've got an article from The Sun in the mid 80's were she revealed that she also was a Mod in the 6ts. The headline being "Did You Know Mod Angie" with an Angie lookalike on a PK50 with some dodgy guy with a parka on, and a Small Hours patch.
Janny
· 1 year ago
Yeah, Skin was the singer in Hipsway ( an apt name given current topic!). Always though the Cinderella story could be set in Glasgow, but with a role reversal of the sexes then the bloke could lose one of his Glasweejuns! Just like Chris, I'll get my coat..................
Charlie
· 1 year ago
Hi Pinky I am sure knowing Roddy "The Stilettos" is what he was wearing after making a quick getaway from The Gathering Of The Clans, apt name for his mod-ish band,eh? Hee,hee!
Chris C
· 1 year ago
A lot of great information yet again.From the guy out of Hipsway to the origins of the Skinheads.
Great memory Janny yet again. I used to see that guy in the Sub Club quite a lot in the late 80s but I could never have remembered his name. If I had seen his shoes I may well have asked him the same question as EE Mod Stevie, but in reality I possibly knew he was never cool enough to have been a Mod in the past.
What you have come up with on the origins of the Skinhead movement chimes in with my own thoughts Steveo1. Although it took the press a while to catch on it does not seem likely that skins came into there own until late 67/early 68. Some people may disagree with that but I have not personally seen anything to suggest otherwise.
The Angie Watts article seems like a real laugh NG.You will have to post it in if you still have it somewhere. Maybe that was the attraction, two ex-Mods trying to re-live the past in an attempt to forget how bad they now looked.
Davie Blair
· 1 year ago
[Qoute Chris C]
"ex-mods trying to re-live the past in an attempt to forget how bad they now looked"
Aint that the done thing nowadays?? :)
I'll get my coat. . . . . .
stevie fae cranhill
· 1 year ago
Yeah, Sub-Club, on Jamaica Street - that's where i saw the 'soul boy' skin. I also remember talking to Craig Charles in there one time (he played some character who ate a lot of mars bars at the time) he was alright - quite a cool guy.
ps do you remember the old sex cinema on Jamaica Street...? It may have became the Sub-Club - anyway, one time they obviously had some oversight and were showing 'the Blue(s) Brothers'. Me and my pal Rab went to see it and scattered around the cinema were the old pervs, who were none too pleased - Aretha did not get too much RESPECT that day.
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
Chris, If I find this Angie Watts article, I feel I may also have to get my coat....
Stevie, waht was the name of that cinema ? I cant remember it, I did however opted to buy the Blues Brothers on VHS, still have it. How did you know that film was on in there ?
Chris C
· 1 year ago
You are very likely spot on with that assessemnt Davie. But I can honestly say that I never did (even in my non mod days) reach a level of looking as desperately bad as that guy from Queen. Someone who knows me will probably e-mail in and say that I did. I did have a flat top for about two years (no I was not into that pish music) and I am slightly embarassed about that.
From the depth of my memory I seem to remember that the dodgy picture house was called the Classic Grand. I also agree that it may well have been in the same place that later became the Sub Club. I must stress that I never ventured inside the place, even to see The Blues Brothers. Well thats my story and I am sticking to it.
Jacket or not its your duty to let us see the Angie Watts thing NG. It may well open up a whole debate about second rate actors who had been Mods. If she is singing in it then don't bother.
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
I shall in due course Chris agree to your request, I shall put it on my "to do" list, don't know if I want to go down that road, second rate actors who were Mods. I saw a photo recently, from the 79 era, and there was Janet Street Porter hanging out with the Mods. This is the sort of thing you will unearth, are you still sure about this ?
Chris C
· 1 year ago
On second thoughts maybe you should give it a body swerve NG. The thought of Janice Street Porter as a Mod does not really bear thinking about does it. Thanks anyway for agreeing to it before common sense took hold
Davie Blair
· 1 year ago
Chris - i had a flat top too for a while - even posted pics of me with it on my photos section - nothin to be embarrased about - it was part of the scooter boy image. Some jaws hit the deck when i walked into the one up cafe with flat top, pilot jacket & doc martins.
Janny
· 1 year ago
The cinema wasn't in the Sub Club was further over to the right of that block. It and the Sub existed at the same time for a while. Don't remember what it was called, but do remember the slang name it had, but if I typed it admin would probably say I was bringing down the sandard of the site!
Chris C
· 1 year ago
I shall bow to your superior knowlege on the geography of dogy porno flics Janny. I usually have quite a good memory, but you have remembered a few things that I have forgotten about so I will say that you are most probably correct with this.
Davie, big apologies about not managing to get the 200 rally in my last photo. I had fully intended to have it in, and I cannot even give the excuse of being drunk this time. I have to say also that you have outdone me with the 'True Confessions' bit. I thought I was opening myself up to much ridicule by admitting that I once had a flat top haircut, but you have usurped me with the outrageous confession that not only did you have a flat top, but you were also a scooter boy. Holy shit, what is going to come next !
Charlie
· 1 year ago
How come no one told me there was dodgy porno flicks in Glasgow in the 80's? I walked about with hairy palms for years as well, how naive am I? and Janny, one has too ask how come you know there exact locations? Hmmmm!
stevie fae cranhill
· 1 year ago
Charlie, I quite surprised you weren't aware of this 'cinema of exotic art' - when they showed the Blues Brothers classic a few 'normal' people showed up, but they didn't open the doors till just before screening time and we got pelters for standing outside the place!
As it's time for confessions, i also had a flat top for a short time - i like to think it was the soul boy style...but i was definately never, ever a 'silly-billy'
Chris C
· 1 year ago
I think you are protesting too much here Charlie. Let's examine the evidence. The dodgy porno picture house is situated just around the corner from the club where you went most weeks for a long time, and you never noticed it ! I used to wonder why you always came into the Scene club late and rather flushed looking. I think we now know why.
For any psychobilly flat top dudes out there please don't take offence. But I am with Stevie on this one. I can just about (possibly) live with the fact that I did have such a haircut, but thank god I never got into King Kurt, the Meteors and all those other absolutely god awful bands. I know it is the done thing on the scooter scene (not the Mod scene thankfully) to be all inclusive with regards to music choice. But I would have to take a temporary leave of absence if I was out somewhere and that sort of rubbish was played.
Davie Blair
· 1 year ago
Even tho' i had a flat top i wasn't into psychobilly. To me the flat top was just a hair style as was the french cut before.
Janny
· 1 year ago
Just to set the record straight, I never frequented the cinema, one of the guys I went to Building and Printing with used it as the "Theme" for his final photography exhibition - wonder why???
Charlie
· 1 year ago
Hi Chris, I was always flushed in The Scene Club, spoiled for choice with all those women, kid in a sweet shop,had a few sweeties before The Scene Club,ah halycon days indeed, hairy palms or not! There was a lot of good looking girls around. I think a lot of Scooter boys had flat tops as they were into Depeche Mode in the early 80's. Psychobillys, different kettle of fish there, not my cup of tea, Eraserhead influenced heavy s**t mentality, still can't watch that movie, totally sick movie, David Lynch should have been lynched for making it. I am glad I was a Mod. Never thought 30 years on it would still be a buzz, how wrong was I?
Chris C
· 1 year ago
I am the same as you Janny. I never went into that picture house, and also, I am the same as Davie in that I admit to the stupid haircut, but definitely not to listening to all that crap music. I do however, seem to remember that such music did have a certain amount of popularity amongst scooter boys during the dark days of the 1980s.
I will have to give you the benefit of the doubt with regards to your whereabouts prior to coming up to the Scene Club Charlie. Some of the Mod girls were most definitely absolutely drop dead gorgeous, I remember them very well.
TYB Civic mod
· 1 year ago
sigh...I must confess to succumbing to the psychobilly stuff for a wee while when it was "fashionable" (a contradiction I hear you shout haha) in the scooter world... there was a very much tongue in cheek approach to some of the music...I mean...who could take King Kurt serious????
I don't think I met anyone on the rallies (apart from 1 nice lad from Abergavenny in Wales) who bought into the scootabilly thing for life...thsi lad still appears in the background of telly shows such as Holby City as he is a professional extra!!!
anyway...all the sill hairdos took their toll and noo am just an old slaphead haha
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
I never had a flat top, never felt the need. Was there not a band called The Cramps that lot were into ? Also I would like my name to be added to the list of names who NEVER frequented that cinema, that Charlie was never out of. Did he not have a season ticket for that joint ? haha
Chris C
· 1 year ago
I think you may well be right TYB about that excuse for music not being taken too seriously. I mean King Kurt, that was just an excuse for guys to cross dress and throw flour about the place. I actually saw a review of a CD of theirs in a recent Scootering magazine, and they gave it a rave review. I don't honestly know who they are trying to kid. The one band of that lot that I thought were quite okay was the Cramps NG, although in reality they were more of a garage band than any of that roc/psychobilly nonsense. I also agree with TYB that the daft haircut is probably the reason for hair loss. Although in reality it would take me about twelve years after losing the flat top to also lose the hair.
I think you are possibly exagerrating a bit to say that Charlie had a season ticket to the Classic Grand NG. As far as I heard he was given a squelchy seat for life.
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
I'm glad you brought that up Chris, Charlie still has that one squelchy seat in his house, and only him, and him alone, is allowed to sit on it haha
Just like the last nite at the Glasgow Apollo, I saw a few people taking seats home with them that night.
JimmyTheMod
· 1 year ago
200 more photos added :-) enjoy
Chris C
· 1 year ago
I think Charlie is quite right to be emotionally attached to his seat NG, just like Jim Royle, squelchy seat my arse.
Was the last night at the Apollo gig by The Style Council ? I was at their first gig in March/April 84 but I sadly missed the last one. It would have been good to have seen the old place out and relive memories of pals being battered and great gigs.
Janny
· 1 year ago
Am totally loving pic 1!!
Chris C
· 1 year ago
So am I Janny, but do you know who she is ? I know people change over the years but I am sure I don't remember her from the Scene Club. She does know her way around an automatic though
Chris C
· 1 year ago
Thats me just looked through all 206 now. I see you weren't slow Charlie, and here we were wondeing who the mystery girl was !
I think Stu from the East End must have paid off the photographer. Either that or he is related.
All kidding aside, some great snaps from an excellent day.
Janny
· 1 year ago
No idea who she is, but would like to think that she was an original!
LC
· 1 year ago
Best Weekender this year by far and great pics to prove it. So professional done, but still glad I managed to dodge most of them :-)
LC
· 1 year ago
Oops! don't you just hate when you submit and then notice that you have missed the ly off the end of professionally :-(
Charlie
· 1 year ago
The young lady in the photo was made up after I put the Parka on her, a touch kindness goes a long way, Henry and Jillians photos were all taken on the spur of the moment, they are talented photographers, I am glad we were all there, it was a buzz, it was a very unique moment, 100% classic from everyone involved! Cheers!
Chris C
· 1 year ago
I think the only way we will find out the identity to the woman in photo 1 is if Charlie tells us Janny. You are not usually so reticent Charlie so let us all know the identity of this mystery woman that you seem to know so well.
I noticed in another photo that there was an extra from the film 'Zulu' in it. I was not aware that the soldiers in the film had prams with them though. I think that guy should have won the prize for the furthest travelled, from Rourkes Rift to Queen Street in a pram, well done. Oh, I better remember my lol.
In case Wullie from Oz is worried, I do not officially start work until 9 am. So put that in your tin of Fosters and put in on a barbie.
LC
· 1 year ago
Soz I can't wait for another year, when is the next big night out in Glasgow?
Charlie
· 1 year ago
We are rushed off our feet the next few months Lammy Chick,but hey "That's Entertainment!" "la, la, la!" We will keep everyone informed of future events. What time does this spaceship land Mr Mojo Risin'?lol!
jackie
· 1 year ago
The photo's look great maybe i can make it up for the next one,Charlie you've not changed a bit .
Davie Blair
· 1 year ago
Aye, charlies still as ugly as sin :)
jackie
· 1 year ago
But Davie i can say the same about you.
JimmyTheMod
· 1 year ago
handsome people damn handsome..
Davie Blair
· 1 year ago
Aye ye can jackie, but you wouldn't. . . . . .
jackie
· 1 year ago
Davie wouldn't i,i will have to think about that one hee,hee
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
You tell him Jackie, its nice to see you posting, we'll soon have you at the top of the commenters league
LC
· 1 year ago
Jimmy when do you think Jackie's photo's will be on the site?
Davie Blair
· 1 year ago
Just try it jackie . . . . you wouldn't want to end up back on the RIP page again now would you :)
Davie Blair
· 1 year ago
NG - watch yersel !!
JimmyTheMod
· 1 year ago
Lammy I am in the process of extracting all photos from PDF's which will take some time ..... watch this space ...
jackie
· 1 year ago
Davie my friend been there once not again soon
Charlie
· 1 year ago
Here Jimmy The Mod Jackie says get your finger out with the photos, got a selection of music to upload from vinyl with Jackies seal of approval..... and if we don't do it soon we're getting a slap so thats us told, must be an East Kilbride thing!
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
Ah Charlie, I remember you ! where you been hiding ?
jackie
· 1 year ago
You bet its an EK thing
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
Jackie, Why have I been asked to record the "Village People", In The Navy ? whats the connection there ?
jackie
· 1 year ago
Ha,ha very funny
Chris C
· 1 year ago
Surely if the photos from Jackie have anything to do with East Kilbride the song that should be attached is 'Circles' by The Who, in a dedication to all those lovely roundabouts that everyone loves so much. I have driven up there many times in the car and it is a nightmare, I can't imagine what like it would be to try and drive a scooter in the place.
jackie
· 1 year ago
Chris your right there EK is a bit of a nightmare for roundabouts.
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
EK great place ! got a puncture there one nite on the scooter, talk about feeling stranded. Two cans of tyre weld (remember that crappy stuff) £7 lighter, half of my weeks Giro gaun, well pissed off.
My friend had to scoot it to Erksine and back to get me a spare wheel, and I still had to get to the North side of the city.
Those were the days
Charlie
· 1 year ago
Thats why EK is called "Polo Mint" city, every street has a roundabout, snobs!
Chris C
· 1 year ago
I think you are wrong there Charlie. Every roundabout has a street in E/K.
jackie
· 1 year ago
Hey Charlie who are you calling a snob
JimmyTheMod
· 1 year ago
growing up in EK was a great set up for life in directions due to the roundabouts.... The area was good for cruising at night and see if the neds or bikers tried to kick us off our scooters, one time one took a kick and he got his foot caught in my crashbars, full throttle with a big grin put me high on the KILL the sod list for a long time, thats really why I ventured into glasgow I needed some real hauners LOL
Charlie remember the pub in EK where all the bikers went in the village, the EE Mods went in and terrorised the EK bikers who were all men and a wee warning from mick the chef put there gas at a peep hahahahhaha WE ARE THE MODS they didnae try to kick me off my scooter after that and the Murray mints were also put at bay by a single rendition from charlie himself... oh and he stole a bikers burd hahahahaha nothing changes typical driver in EK :-) <object width="325" height="244"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/BZoBCC8a9Tc&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/BZoBCC8a9Tc&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="325" height="244"></embed></object>
jackie
· 1 year ago
Murray mints?
JimmyTheMod
· 1 year ago
Murray Rebels hahahaha
jackie
· 1 year ago
thats a good clip ive only been driving for 5 years hate roundabouts would hate to drive in EK
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
I have just spent the last hour recording your choice of songs Jackie, just need to get them uploaded to the site now.
Chris C
· 1 year ago
Jimmy, what the hell did Charlie sing to put the Murray mints at bay? Surely he can't be that bad a chanter.
Question 2 from an innocent Glaswegian is what exactly is a Murray mint, apart from the obvious swadger. And was the biker bird as gruesome as most of them seemed to be ?
jackie
· 1 year ago
Thanks jim thats great is it the songs from last night or is it the list i sent to charlie?
Charlie
· 1 year ago
I remember the girl was sitting on his knee,I just asked her dance and away we went, she ws pretty, I was pretty s**t faced, these were all grown men, big bikers, your right Jimmy no hassle from them after a few words from Mick The Chef, he was not to be messed around with.
N.G. MODS
· 1 year ago
Chris, to get you up to speed. Murray is not a mint, it's an area of EK where one certain Miss Murray came from haha
Jackie why send a list to Charlie when its me, that has to record the dam tunes ??? I hope I haven't been wasting my time recording tunes you no longer want.
Charlie, I feel you records may become frisbys !!!
jackie
· 1 year ago
Jim dont panic the songs you have done are great i just sent charlie the list i sent to jimmy if you want i will send it to you as well you haven't wasted your time and please no frisbys.
Chris C
· 1 year ago
That clears that one up so cheers for that NG. But can you tell me why they named a part of E/K after a mint ? I would personally have preferred it if the area was called After Eights.
Davie Blair
· 1 year ago
JOKE.....
Q "What do you call a millionaires daughter?"
A "The Hole with the Mint" :)
JimmyTheMod
· 1 year ago
35 more photos added
Charlie
· 1 year ago
Hope you like the photos,some classic images here, we are THE Mods!, oh yes!
Chris C
· 1 year ago
The only thing I want to know is why so many different people had their photo taken on Andy Wylie's scooter. Andy, if you are looking in, were you charging £1 a sit. And no I did say 'sit.'
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Great day yesterday, with meeting everyone, and having so many brilliant scooters turning up. I hope it stayed dry for the actual run out. Someone should have suggested that the scooters go down the clydeside to recreate the famous October 81 film, although despite there being a helluva lot yesterday, it was not quite in those numbers.
how you doing mate?
sorry i never got to see you when you were up on a visit mate. I checked around at Kelso just in case you's were there, but then the drink kicked in and it went blurry!!!
Ive got a few pics of the weekend mate i'll email to you, i only got a few before the batteries ran out, typical!
sent them in, Glasgow should be re named the "windy city" more photos still to come, loads more.
Was there ever so many scooters on Duke Street/Queen Street!?!
i was going to ask NG Jim how's it going with that USB turntable?
i was thinking about getting one - all my vinyl is gathering dust at the moment!
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The main places that I remember seeing a lot of scooters parked during the early 80s were 1) On Union street, just across from Virgin 2) The wee inshot place in front of the bandstand and 3) Down at the Barras, especially on a Sunday.
I think this is another attempt to rewrite history, next Charlie will be on here claiming the Mods were listening to Jerry Lee Lewis before the Rockers.
I was actually in one of the pubs in London, Putney to be precise, were photographs of the Mods on their scooters, outside the pub was published in the Mods book. Don't see any Skinheads in the photos, now, if he was saying, that the early origins of the Skinhead movement could be traced back to the Mod scene in 1964, well thats a total different point all together !
You might have started something here Chris ?
I also agree that there is an argument that the forerunners of the Skinheads can be traced to the hard Mods of the early to mid 60s. But to say that they were actually skins, is to me, taking it too far. I certainly did not see any signs in any of the early 60s mod photos, of what I would consider to be skinheads.
What pub were you in in Putney? Is it the one where Mick on his GT 200 is sitting outside with his girlfriend on the back, waiting to go to Brighton or Margate. In last months Scootering there are a lot of photos of the same crowd. I think one of them is taken as they all leave from the same pub.
As for Mongo "El Vendedor de sandias" Santamaria, he does this lovely four track EP, Spanish issue I may add, available at all record shops now....
Its funny how people take certain things and stretch them, as with the skinhead guy. When I first saw the Mods book a lot of guys from Royston believed that one of the guys in the pictures from 64 was an original Garngad Mod. He had a white jacket with the letters 'TS' on it, and a lot of people belived it stood for 'Tiny Shamrock,' I was more than dubious, but some people actually believed it to be true.
I am not familiar with Mongo El Vendedor de sandias Santamaria's version of Watermelon man, but I have to say that for his name alone, he should win a prize.
As for Mongo Santamaria "El Vendedor de sandias" I believe this is the Spanish for Watermelon Man !!! well thats what it says on the sleeve. If any of our Spanish viewers are tuning in, can you please inform us, if that is the case.
I like the TS story, Glasgow will put a claim to anything going on out there ! I'll need to have a think on that one
Good to know that Putney is in the south west. I don't know for the life of me why, but I always had this notion that it was in the East end. This was based on absolutely nothing I have also to admit. Bad luck about the wine bottles. A few years ago we were at a Christmas party and the people coming to their table next to us came a bit late. Suffice to say that their free bottles of table wine were nowhere to be seen.
It would be good to think that a Glasgow Mod had been at Brighton in 64. I suppose it is always possible, and some of the 80s Garngad Mods even had a name for the guy in the book, but my suspicious mind was not really convinced. I know the 60s Glasgow Mods regularly descended on Blackpool but I think Brighton is a bit too far for those times.
I'm waiting for Charlie to pick up on El Vendedor de sandias, I even saw a copy of House of Bamboo for sale the other day.
I'll need to get the Mods book out and see if any great stories spring too mind !
Charlie will do well to click with the Spanish translation of Watermelon Man. It went right over my head. If it was in Italian I would have had a small chance of spotting it, but not Spanish. I can tell you that the Spanish for 'One Step Beyond' is 'Uno Passo Adalante' because I once stupidly bought the Spanish version of the Madness classic. You should have bought the Jerry Lee Lewis version of 'House of Bamboo' that would have been doubly good for Charlie.
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Ah the old boundary fare to the Briggs in a taxi, still remember when the BYT were running at the WYT and I had to drive my scooter right through the lot of them, one of those surreal moments in time, they didn't know what was happening and neither did I. Felt like being John Wayne surrounded with those damm injuns !!! haha
I remember coming home from Easterhouse to Sighthill and encountering what you were talking about NG. Two gangs were giving it laldy across edinburgh road, and I had to drive right through it.
I know what you are talking about with regards to the bands that play down south. I am still very envious about the great gigs that take place in London.
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And you are right about that F..... boundary charge NG. I thought the charge was okay on Sunday morning at £13, and then the guy hit me with a boundary charge of £4.60 or something, what a swizz, although in truth he had told me about it before we set off.
Anyway going back to the original point on this thread, I would agree there Chris in some photos you see its hard to tell whos the Mod and whos the Skinhead, I suppose it would all come down to the indivuals musical tastes, and unfortunately the picture can't speak.
I was lucky enough that time on Edinburgh Road in that they were more interested in skelping each other than me. But I did get a few stones coming my way one time in Provanhall when a mob of wee Elvis rocakabilly lookalikes took a dislike to me and my scooter. I suppose listening to that Sydney Devine music can't be good for anyone.
I have possibly opened up a question that has no definitive answer. I certainly think that the Mods from 64/65, even the tough looking one's with short hair were mods, and not skins. The same applies to a photo of a bunch of skins chasing a rocker from 68/69. Although they looked as much like mods as skins I am certain that most would be the latter. I suppose its the same as the origins of the Mod cult. Would it be right to date it back to 1958 when the Italian look and Modern Jazz was really big. I am not looking for an answer to that one, Its just possibly a fair comparison.
Just like the 1990s, if you wanted to find a Mod Nite, you would get one, only meant you had anything up to a 800 mile round trip from where we are based.
One last thing, reflecting back to times in the 1980s, I can recall certain individuals one week being a Mod the next a Skinhead, then back to being a Mod or whatever, practically still wearing the same style of clothes, and someone like myself who knew what was what, could only go what the individual was saying. Thought I would just add that in......
When they talk about Mods dying out by 1967 I suppose they are focusing mainly on the south east of England, and London in particular. But you are right about the Dennis Waterman film with the Lambretta, so there must have been some who kept on being Mods even down there.
I have read many a report about the mod scene being very big in the north of England long after 1968, and it is probably fair to say that there would have been a fusion of Mod and Skinhead styles as both were definitley going around at the same time. I also remember working with an older guy who was from Provanmill. He told me he was a Mod around 1970, which at first I was dubious about. But he was obviously right and there were definitley still Mods in Glasgow at that time.
In Hugh Collins' book he talks about his friend from Royston who dressed very sharp in the late 60s, but had his hair cropped due to the fact that it helped when he was fighting. He does not mantion if the guy was a Mod or skin, but description wise he sounds like he was a hard Mod.
I also remember a few people changing styles more than their socks. One guy became a temporary rockabilly and we met him out the town one day. There was a big crowd of us and we were giving him a bit of a ribbing. One of the guys noticed that one of his mates had on a FAM badge and the mood changed somewhat. I also remember a good friend whose hair started going very early and he then started hanging out with the Scotstoun Skins.
Cheers for the offer of the disk Charlie, I will e-mail you back later when I can remember my home e-mail address. I actually remember (I was about 8) the Provy Rebs fighting the Gyto near Provanhall, and most of the guys were all skinheads. This was around 1972/73 when the style was first on the go, and they looked as smart as hell.
One guy that I was totally shocked to hear that he had some good taste in music was mad Lemmy from Motorhead. I once heard him being interviewed about his favourite records and he came out with stuff like The Action, Johns Children, and The Birds. He used to go to places like The Marquee and saw all those bands in the mid to late 60s. In saying that we used to meet a lot of Blue Angels in the Griffin bar. It was amazing once you got talking to them how many had started off as Mods in the 60s.
I also have to admit that I can't remember Roddy Frame being a Mod Charlie. In fact I was totally 'Oblivious' to that. Okay I'll get my jacket.
Im sure they were mod ish ??!!
I guess he was never a mod then...
Great memory Janny yet again. I used to see that guy in the Sub Club quite a lot in the late 80s but I could never have remembered his name. If I had seen his shoes I may well have asked him the same question as EE Mod Stevie, but in reality I possibly knew he was never cool enough to have been a Mod in the past.
What you have come up with on the origins of the Skinhead movement chimes in with my own thoughts Steveo1. Although it took the press a while to catch on it does not seem likely that skins came into there own until late 67/early 68. Some people may disagree with that but I have not personally seen anything to suggest otherwise.
The Angie Watts article seems like a real laugh NG.You will have to post it in if you still have it somewhere. Maybe that was the attraction, two ex-Mods trying to re-live the past in an attempt to forget how bad they now looked.
"ex-mods trying to re-live the past in an attempt to forget how bad they now looked"
Aint that the done thing nowadays?? :)
I'll get my coat. . . . . .
ps do you remember the old sex cinema on Jamaica Street...? It may have became the Sub-Club - anyway, one time they obviously had some oversight and were showing 'the Blue(s) Brothers'. Me and my pal Rab went to see it and scattered around the cinema were the old pervs, who were none too pleased - Aretha did not get too much RESPECT that day.
Stevie, waht was the name of that cinema ? I cant remember it, I did however opted to buy the Blues Brothers on VHS, still have it. How did you know that film was on in there ?
From the depth of my memory I seem to remember that the dodgy picture house was called the Classic Grand. I also agree that it may well have been in the same place that later became the Sub Club. I must stress that I never ventured inside the place, even to see The Blues Brothers. Well thats my story and I am sticking to it.
Jacket or not its your duty to let us see the Angie Watts thing NG. It may well open up a whole debate about second rate actors who had been Mods. If she is singing in it then don't bother.
Some jaws hit the deck when i walked into the one up cafe with flat top, pilot jacket & doc martins.
Davie, big apologies about not managing to get the 200 rally in my last photo. I had fully intended to have it in, and I cannot even give the excuse of being drunk this time. I have to say also that you have outdone me with the 'True Confessions' bit. I thought I was opening myself up to much ridicule by admitting that I once had a flat top haircut, but you have usurped me with the outrageous confession that not only did you have a flat top, but you were also a scooter boy. Holy shit, what is going to come next !
- when they showed the Blues Brothers classic a few 'normal' people showed up, but they didn't open the doors till just before screening time and we got pelters for standing outside the place!
As it's time for confessions, i also had a flat top for a short time - i like to think it was the soul boy style...but i was definately never, ever a 'silly-billy'
For any psychobilly flat top dudes out there please don't take offence. But I am with Stevie on this one. I can just about (possibly) live with the fact that I did have such a haircut, but thank god I never got into King Kurt, the Meteors and all those other absolutely god awful bands. I know it is the done thing on the scooter scene (not the Mod scene thankfully) to be all inclusive with regards to music choice. But I would have to take a temporary leave of absence if I was out somewhere and that sort of rubbish was played.
To me the flat top was just a hair style as was the french cut before.
I will have to give you the benefit of the doubt with regards to your whereabouts prior to coming up to the Scene Club Charlie. Some of the Mod girls were most definitely absolutely drop dead gorgeous, I remember them very well.
I don't think I met anyone on the rallies (apart from 1 nice lad from Abergavenny in Wales) who bought into the scootabilly thing for life...thsi lad still appears in the background of telly shows such as Holby City as he is a professional extra!!!
anyway...all the sill hairdos took their toll and noo am just an old slaphead haha
I think you are possibly exagerrating a bit to say that Charlie had a season ticket to the Classic Grand NG. As far as I heard he was given a squelchy seat for life.
Just like the last nite at the Glasgow Apollo, I saw a few people taking seats home with them that night.
Was the last night at the Apollo gig by The Style Council ? I was at their first gig in March/April 84 but I sadly missed the last one. It would have been good to have seen the old place out and relive memories of pals being battered and great gigs.
I think Stu from the East End must have paid off the photographer. Either that or he is related.
All kidding aside, some great snaps from an excellent day.
I noticed in another photo that there was an extra from the film 'Zulu' in it. I was not aware that the soldiers in the film had prams with them though. I think that guy should have won the prize for the furthest travelled, from Rourkes Rift to Queen Street in a pram, well done. Oh, I better remember my lol.
In case Wullie from Oz is worried, I do not officially start work until 9 am. So put that in your tin of Fosters and put in on a barbie.
My friend had to scoot it to Erksine and back to get me a spare wheel, and I still had to get to the North side of the city.
Those were the days
Charlie remember the pub in EK where all the bikers went in the village, the EE Mods went in and terrorised the EK bikers who were all men and a wee warning from mick the chef put there gas at a peep hahahahhaha WE ARE THE MODS they didnae try to kick me off my scooter after that and the Murray mints were also put at bay by a single rendition from charlie himself... oh and he stole a bikers burd hahahahaha nothing changes
typical driver in EK :-)
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Question 2 from an innocent Glaswegian is what exactly is a Murray mint, apart from the obvious swadger. And was the biker bird as gruesome as most of them seemed to be ?
Jackie why send a list to Charlie when its me, that has to record the dam tunes ??? I hope I haven't been wasting my time recording tunes you no longer want.
Charlie, I feel you records may become frisbys !!!
Q "What do you call a millionaires daughter?"
A "The Hole with the Mint" :)